If a guild leader rage quits should he be allowed back? - Page 2 - Guild Wars Forums

TempusReborn · Aug 03, 2007, 10:57 PM // 22:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by lyra_song

You dont have a constitution either? >.>;;

Heres my guild's

http://z13.invisionfree.com/shinigam...p?showtopic=98

I've just got to say that this sounds so good that I'd actually ask to join

Private Message me on Guru if you want to talk about it
EDIT : Cry , American Server based

Oh well

I Akeron I · Aug 11, 2007, 04:32 PM // 16:32

Sounds too immature to be a Guild Leader. Get your stuff together and and GvG his next Guild lol.

Bowstring Badass · Aug 11, 2007, 09:58 PM // 21:58

Tell him no you left it's my guild now.

Master Ketsu · Aug 12, 2007, 06:52 PM // 18:52

Hes an idiot for giving away his position. When you give away your seat you should be aware that you may not be able to get it back. Any mature person knows this.

Ec]-[oMaN · Aug 12, 2007, 07:36 PM // 19:36

It really depends on the whole situation, all we have is one person putting down an ex guild leader, we don't have his view, maybe the members were the problem. Some people don't want to be LED, take that into consideration. I'd also say it's childish whether the guys a prick or not to give him his guild back, he gave you leadership obviously because he had some kind of respect for you. Now if you and the rest of the your guildies have a problem with him you should probably just leave that guild...

panda10119 · Aug 18, 2007, 09:33 AM // 09:33

What do you get from this person?? Knowlege? i doubt it. Fun??? or is it more like endless agrovation! i can't belive even people would be in his guild let alown him being leader i would say, He made up his mind with the guild and the alliance there is no bloody way of letting him back in my books

panda10119 · Aug 18, 2007, 09:33 AM // 09:33

What do you get from this person?? Knowlege? i doubt it. Fun??? or is it more like endless agrovation! i can't belive even people would be in his guild let alown him being leader i would say, He made up his mind with the guild and the alliance there is no bloody way of letting him back in in my books

Xanatos_De_Creon · Aug 20, 2007, 06:11 AM // 06:11

Personal experience says that his issue isn't with you leading the guild, or the guild at all, but leting go of all of the time and effort he has put into building the guild up. It hurts to have to leave a guild because of personal reasons and come back to it only to find out it is no longer your guild at all.

I've recently been there, and while it is not me you are talking about it's rather close to the same story with a few minor dramatic twist.

If he really wants his hall and goodies back, buy him a sigil and give him how ever much it cost to buy the NPCs that he put into the guild hall, plus the 2k for the cape. Send him on his way, and tell him you'll make an announcement when his new guild is built.

I would simply say start your own and take your friends with you, but things get shattered and scattered in doing that.

I give you this advice after my partner and I have utterly destroyed our old guild due to the fact that we could not let go, and admit that it wasn't the guild we wanted nor set out to make anymore.

Every leader has their own style, and with that style the guild will form around it. It is hard to change the grain of a guild once it and it's officers are established and their game play style and ethics are formed.

If your old leader is reading this, all I can say to him is "Let it go". Cut your losses and let it go. Find a new guild name and make a new one.

Auld · Sep 08, 2007, 09:33 PM // 21:33

There is a lot of truth to "One rotten apple spoils the whole barrel".
I believe that if this seemingly unstable individual came back again, that the whole guild could fall apart. I have seen guilds decimated by much less.

Alex Morningstar · Sep 08, 2007, 10:42 PM // 22:42

Before, when he left because of real life issues, I could see him having a stake to return to the leaderspot when he came back.

But, he has since rage-quit and then got you kicked out of your alliance. That right there says a lot. It says his guild isn't valuable enough to him to work out a disagreement with his officer - you - and it says that the value of the community that alliance was to you isn't important to him or his guildies.

The moment he rage-quit, his claim was gone. If he had came back and worked things out, it might have been different. But instead he got you guys kicked. Your guild doesn't need this kind of drama. Don't keep it hush hush either, he'll probably start stirring the pot with your guildies tell your members what happened and why you made the decisions you did.

Not quite what happened to my old guild, but close enough.

It's yours now, enjoy. There will be all the people who said "he made it, it's his" but you can tell them "possession is 9/10ths of the law".

Alvar · Sep 08, 2007, 11:15 PM // 23:15

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Originally Posted by Risky Ranger

Our guild leader was having real life problems so he put me in the leaders position because he was losing his internet connection. He did this when I was off line and when I logged on he was gone. When I logged in and saw I was leader I sent him an open invite back. He accepted the invite when I was off again and he had a disagreement with someone and quit again saying he was gone for good and wouldn't be back. He also said that the guild was failing apart because he was no longer there and that he was the only reason people were in the guild. The fact was that we lost one long time member and a few new recruits. 3 or 4 people less than when he quit. It wasn't the first time he quit or threatened to quit. He is a very knowledgeable about the game, and put a much of his game money into the guild, but he was always having some type of fight with either guild members or alliance members because he said they disrespected him. He is a grown man not a young person, someone who should know to lead not rule. He has recently pm'd a guild member saying he wants back in and wants the leadership back. My question is should he be allowed back into the guild and given the leadership back. One more thing I own the guild website, the web address and pay for the vent connection, if he were to come back to leadership I could could loose my real money investment in the guild. Please let me have your honest opinions.

Update: He went to the leader of our alliance and had us kicked from the alliance. I know he posts to this forum so I will be interested to see what if any reply he has.

i hate guild leaders like that.

Goldleader · Sep 11, 2007, 09:36 PM // 21:36

This is a MMO, not a single player game. One person should not try to control everything.

Put it to a vote and let everyone decide.

Then again, if he is the only person asking to be made leader and noone else seems to care, just ignore him. What is he going to do?

You might want to start flexing your leadership. Organize a guild raid night, start making friendships with everyone, help players out...those actions improve loyalty and will keep everyone on your side.

Most guild leaders seem to just play and ask every so often "anyone need some help?" That's crap.

This is one of the downsides of instanced fighting....you can't have 100% of the guild populace clear a dungeon, or hunt a dragon. In EQ, those things always helped loyalty.

Holly Herro · Sep 12, 2007, 06:35 AM // 06:35

Pay him for the guild and all he spent on it. Then you can keep it, that sounds fair?

Ghryphon · Sep 21, 2007, 12:49 PM // 12:49

A leader should never abandon his team...regardless. Life sucks sometimes, so does the people you lead, but time will let you get over it. There is no excuse for leaving like that, multiple times none the less. If you need to leave for personal reasons (IE real life issues) Then designate someone to take your place and make sure you make it clear you intend to return, or you dont intend to return. Dont just run out...

Perhaps let him in as a member, never again as officer, much less leader.

In all my years of leading groups, teams and guilds through various online games, I have never abandoned my team. Thats just silly, people who do that should be shot

My 2 cents...

-Tiki

Squishy ftw · Sep 21, 2007, 03:51 PM // 15:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by Risky Ranger

Update: He went to the leader of our alliance and had us kicked from the alliance. I know he posts to this forum so I will be interested to see what if any reply he has.

IMHO THAT is exactly what any kind of a leader should NOT do. That's just one of the saddest things to do. I wouldnt even want a person like that just as a normal member in the same guild as me. It's disgusting.

Tarja · Sep 21, 2007, 04:45 PM // 16:45

What you should do is talk to your guild members about it. They'll know more about the situation and about your old leader, than we do. Therefore you can get their opinions on what should be done.

Aug 12, 2007, 07:36 PM // 19:36	#25
Ec]-[oMaN Desert Nomad Join Date: May 2005 Location: Toronto, Ont. Guild: [DT][pT][jT][Grim][Nion] Profession: W/	It really depends on the whole situation, all we have is one person putting down an ex guild leader, we don't have his view, maybe the members were the problem. Some people don't want to be LED, take that into consideration. I'd also say it's childish whether the guys a prick or not to give him his guild back, he gave you leadership obviously because he had some kind of respect for you. Now if you and the rest of the your guildies have a problem with him you should probably just leave that guild... Last edited by Ec]-[oMaN; Aug 12, 2007 at 07:41 PM // 19:41..

Sep 21, 2007, 12:49 PM // 12:49	#34
Ghryphon Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Iowa, United States Guild: LOD Profession: Mo/	A leader should never abandon his team...regardless. Life sucks sometimes, so does the people you lead, but time will let you get over it. There is no excuse for leaving like that, multiple times none the less. If you need to leave for personal reasons (IE real life issues) Then designate someone to take your place and make sure you make it clear you intend to return, or you dont intend to return. Dont just run out... Perhaps let him in as a member, never again as officer, much less leader. In all my years of leading groups, teams and guilds through various online games, I have never abandoned my team. Thats just silly, people who do that should be shot My 2 cents... -Tiki Last edited by Ghryphon; Sep 21, 2007 at 12:53 PM // 12:53..

Aug 11, 2007, 04:32 PM // 16:32	#22
I Akeron I Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Aug 2007 Guild: Holy Is The Profession: W/	Sounds too immature to be a Guild Leader. Get your stuff together and and GvG his next Guild lol.

Aug 11, 2007, 09:58 PM // 21:58	#23
Bowstring Badass Forge Runner Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Character selection screen figuring what I want to play... Guild: Purple Lingerie - :D	Tell him no you left it's my guild now.

Aug 12, 2007, 06:52 PM // 18:52	#24
Master Ketsu Desert Nomad Join Date: May 2006 Location: middle of nowhere Guild: Krazy Guild With Krazy People [KrZy] Profession: R/	Hes an idiot for giving away his position. When you give away your seat you should be aware that you may not be able to get it back. Any mature person knows this.

Aug 18, 2007, 09:33 AM // 09:33	#26
panda10119 Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Aug 2007 Guild: Element of the Flame Profession: E/D	What do you get from this person?? Knowlege? i doubt it. Fun??? or is it more like endless agrovation! i can't belive even people would be in his guild let alown him being leader i would say, He made up his mind with the guild and the alliance there is no bloody way of letting him back in my books

Aug 20, 2007, 06:11 AM // 06:11	#28
Xanatos_De_Creon Ascalonian Squire Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Missouri Guild: Cursed Kitty Cats [CKC] Profession: Rt/	Personal experience says that his issue isn't with you leading the guild, or the guild at all, but leting go of all of the time and effort he has put into building the guild up. It hurts to have to leave a guild because of personal reasons and come back to it only to find out it is no longer your guild at all. I've recently been there, and while it is not me you are talking about it's rather close to the same story with a few minor dramatic twist. If he really wants his hall and goodies back, buy him a sigil and give him how ever much it cost to buy the NPCs that he put into the guild hall, plus the 2k for the cape. Send him on his way, and tell him you'll make an announcement when his new guild is built. I would simply say start your own and take your friends with you, but things get shattered and scattered in doing that. I give you this advice after my partner and I have utterly destroyed our old guild due to the fact that we could not let go, and admit that it wasn't the guild we wanted nor set out to make anymore. Every leader has their own style, and with that style the guild will form around it. It is hard to change the grain of a guild once it and it's officers are established and their game play style and ethics are formed. If your old leader is reading this, all I can say to him is "Let it go". Cut your losses and let it go. Find a new guild name and make a new one.

Sep 08, 2007, 09:33 PM // 21:33	#29
Auld Ascalonian Squire Join Date: May 2007 Location: Chicago USA Guild: House of Blackrock Profession: N/Mo	There is a lot of truth to "One rotten apple spoils the whole barrel". I believe that if this seemingly unstable individual came back again, that the whole guild could fall apart. I have seen guilds decimated by much less.

Sep 08, 2007, 10:42 PM // 22:42	#30
Alex Morningstar Krytan Explorer Join Date: May 2006 Guild: Team Asshat [Hat] leader - [GR] Alliance Profession: Mo/	Before, when he left because of real life issues, I could see him having a stake to return to the leaderspot when he came back. But, he has since rage-quit and then got you kicked out of your alliance. That right there says a lot. It says his guild isn't valuable enough to him to work out a disagreement with his officer - you - and it says that the value of the community that alliance was to you isn't important to him or his guildies. The moment he rage-quit, his claim was gone. If he had came back and worked things out, it might have been different. But instead he got you guys kicked. Your guild doesn't need this kind of drama. Don't keep it hush hush either, he'll probably start stirring the pot with your guildies tell your members what happened and why you made the decisions you did. Not quite what happened to my old guild, but close enough. It's yours now, enjoy. There will be all the people who said "he made it, it's his" but you can tell them "possession is 9/10ths of the law".

Sep 11, 2007, 09:36 PM // 21:36	#32
Goldleader Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Jun 2006 Profession: Mo/Me	This is a MMO, not a single player game. One person should not try to control everything. Put it to a vote and let everyone decide. Then again, if he is the only person asking to be made leader and noone else seems to care, just ignore him. What is he going to do? You might want to start flexing your leadership. Organize a guild raid night, start making friendships with everyone, help players out...those actions improve loyalty and will keep everyone on your side. Most guild leaders seem to just play and ask every so often "anyone need some help?" That's crap. This is one of the downsides of instanced fighting....you can't have 100% of the guild populace clear a dungeon, or hunt a dragon. In EQ, those things always helped loyalty.

Sep 12, 2007, 06:35 AM // 06:35	#33
Holly Herro Jungle Guide Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Kangaroo-land. Guild: Blades of the Dingo [AUST]	Pay him for the guild and all he spent on it. Then you can keep it, that sounds fair?

Sep 21, 2007, 04:45 PM // 16:45	#36
Tarja Academy Page Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Canada	What you should do is talk to your guild members about it. They'll know more about the situation and about your old leader, than we do. Therefore you can get their opinions on what should be done.